Those who can make you believe absurdities, will make you commit atrocitie —Voltaire

Sunday, June 17, 2007

The Failure Of HIV & AIDS Dissent.

I have decided to edit some parts of the original piece in view of the fact that some points I made (rather naively) regarding certain Doctors, could be interpreted as siding with one faction against another one, as respective doctor's supporters argue about their theories and classify everyone as friend or foe.

I reject the idea of factions and above all any association with any of them. I respect everyone’s input and feel they should all respect the fact that for many of us defeating AID$ Inc. is what's important, not who has the gratest theory on AIDS, which is a political construct and nothing more. I personally maintain that if any theory is going to stop AID$ Inc. it will be a political one, and then again, it will have a lot more to do with will rather than theory.




The Failure Of HIV & AIDS Dissent

This is not a “gay” perspective.
It is a “human” one.


There is a brilliant couplet at the start of the excellent film by Stephen Allen HIV Fact Or Fraud that goes something like:

“The war on AIDS has failed not because it never found a cure.
The war on AIDS has failed because it never found the cause.”


Well by that same criteria one can say the same thing about the AIDS Dissent Movement. After more than twenty years it has failed to get the establishment to listen. Even worse it has also failed in getting the people to listen or even to be interested. Why? After dedicating an entire year to look into a very wide range of material backed up by some direct contact with different aspects of the dissent movement, I will try to venture forth some answers to that question, and hopefully raise some more along the way as well.

The dissident movement has failed to get the establishment to listen because it failed to accept that the establishment is behind the whole lie. It has also failed to get the people interested because it tries to present this as a great tragedy for science when in fact it is an incalculable tragedy for people. No one cares about science. Time always takes care of scientific disputes, and anyone who knows anything about history knows that. Some within the movement call Gallo and Co. “criminals” responsible a “fraud” that now operates as part of a more global “agenda” to perpetrate “genocide”. For others in the movement this language is “counterproductive”. However, when you take into account all that has been perpetrated in the name of HIV & AIDS, the mere idea of adopting a “sanitized AIDS dissent lingo” seems to many a little obscene. I think sanitising language is the same as “political-correctness”. I find that very unsettling when I think of how that has been used in the HIV=AIDS debate, which has been to stall debate and create smoke-screens. Sanitised-AIDS-dissent-language also smacks of the “old boy network”, a seeming anachronism in a dissent movement, until on closer contact with some elements within it, you see that it is a language that obeys and supports an established structure. This seems to keep it all under apparent consented control. When you come into contact with some of these elements, there is a feeling that you are being tested or groomed to follow a line, a language, where you could serve a very specific purpose that is chosen for you. If you refuse to comply, or you disagree, you will be suddenly and abruptly ignored and shut out of the club in punishment. These elements keep the debate within the movement firmly with the doctors centre stage, whilst the “humanists”; who are the ones who really helped us not crack-up under the horrible shock of finding the truth behind the HIV=AIDS paradigm, but they have been relegated throughout this whole dispute to play the equivalent of the colourful (but secondary) role of the “Chorus” in a Greek tragedy.

These elements still fail to see that this is not a scientific issue anymore. This is a social and political one. So why is the main emphasis in dissent in general still on science? We are all extremely grateful for the vast amount of scientific theory this dispute has generated over the years, however as ordinary people we inevitably tend to lean more towards the works of Christine Maggiore or Stephen Davis, who through their accessible works have shown us all how to take on face-to-face the ONE and ONLY question we need answered from science: What do the so-called HIV tests prove? We all know Science/AIDS Inc. cannot answer that one without getting into a complete mess. We all know that the HIV=AIDS hypothesis is a load of bull excrement. Better: plain “voodoo”. That’s all the science we need to know. The doctors should have moved off centre-stage a long time ago. The real problem has always been in the political, social and human realm, where the devastation wreaked on peoples minds and lives is palpable. There again we need Maggiore, Farber and Shenton, Lauritsen and Young, Ellner and Crowe, Russell and Pasquarelli, Hodgkinson & Davis, Scovill & Allen, so people can understand the human, social and political motives behind this fraud that has been perpetrated against them, and lots and lots of Mark Weinberg, so people can also see and hear in whose hands they have relegated their health. The last thing we need are more doctors with scientific theories that do not take into account that we don’t even need them. Some even declare now that AIDS can be cured. Great! But who the hell has AIDS? The “classic AIDS”, who has that? This is obviously not applicable to AIDS in Africa, the situation AIDS Inc. has created there is even more sordid and shattering. AIDS Inc. will redefine our understanding of the word “genocide” by the time they have finished in Africa, if they are not stopped.

HIV & AIDS Dissent in Spanish is also something rather alarming but for different reasons. Why is the entire debate in the Spanish-speaking dissent world almost entirely on “curing” AIDS? Here people only have scientific theories to calm their fears and anxieties. No “humanist” material at all to help them understand that there is nothing wrong with them. Nothing! Theories on “oxidative semen” and “viral counts” and lymphocytes, and special diets; it’s crazy. The Spanish-speaking forums where people meet to talk and find out information are desperate places: “AIDS-zones” but without a virus which makes it all the more insane as everyone still thinks they are sick, and no one or nothing to tell them that there is nothing wrong with them. Again people are suffering the consequences of doctors holding the debate on science, and no one else wanting to take the responsibility that comes with knowing, that in over twenty five years of the HIV=AIDS lie, it was with the help of the “humanists” that we survived and never the doctors, and that no real advances in helping people can be pretended without the “humanists” and their contribution to this tragedy. Why is the Spanish-speaking world being made to go through this unnecessary ordeal, when it could and should be avoided? Everyone knows that you cannot just give people scientific theories. It’s a disgrace that when you look for material to point people to you only find addresses to some private practice. So in the Spanish-speaking world there is nothing available for people with a highly probable false unreliable HIV+ diagnosis, except the most detailed documents on how AIDS can be cured. What do these people have that needs curing? Spanish speaking AIDS seems to declare itself able to cure what many have spent years telling us we did not develop through testing positive. Australian AIDS dissent does this too. No wonder people get confused. This is a lot more difficult to explain to people than the simple “fraudulence” behind the HIV test. That’s when it all starts to look and sound like a Feydeau farce. The only problem is that no one is laughing. Except maybe AIDS Inc.

As far as a cure for AIDS goes, the only real cure people need would be to help them see that that HIV=AIDS hypothesis is a plain deliberate lie, another one in a growing list of lies lthat assault us from all directions; a virus from within, terror form without, and God or Mother Nature who are now going to make us all “globally fry”. It is part of something much bigger where maybe doctors have little to do. Call it what you like but it’s there and plain to see for those that want to or can. I’m not even sure this is just about AIDS anymore. Keeping the debate on “cures” is futile and misleading and makes no logical sense at all. It keeps people firmly in the idea that they are sick. Why else would you need a cure? It should be seen a wholly wrong by those who hold the basic belief that: “no one” is “anything” on the strength of “that test”. The only thing we need to cure is our mind from this “voodoo”, this deadly belief. We don’t need cures for AIDS. AIDS is a construct, a belief. Nothing more. I thought that everyone agreed on that!!

This is not a tirade against doctors. I admire and applaud their personal and scientific contributions to this issue and the courage in speaking out in the face of great opposition and even ridicule.

The final question on the nature of the dissent movement that had been bugging me for along time now was; why was the net littered with pages of individuals speaking out over the years, trying to warn people of the danger of the HIV fraud? So many people have known over the years. Have they lost interest? Most would seem to prefer to think that they did. But I am yet to meet a single person who understood the truth behind the tragedy of AIDS enough to speak out about it that has been able to sleep well since then. People don’t get bored with something like the HIV lie, it has a far too lethal effect on our lives to “toy” with it. I don’t know people who have “toyed” with this. People either look it in the face, or they just look the other way. I did notice however that in some cases the efforts of certain individuals and certain groups is referred to in derogatory terms through posts and memos over the net, that when pieced together could leave one thinking that there is a kind of process of selection one has to pass to be in or out. Maybe all those people just didn’t pass, so now they remain silent.

Who Am I?
I am a forty-three year-old gay man. I have a fifteen year-old positive (whatever the hell that means) diagnosis. I stopped treatment a year ago after seven years of retroviral chemotherapy, and have never looked back. I do no viral load or CD4-counts as it’s all just an insidious, twisted “Church of AIDS” ritual designed to keep your head full of imaginary viral debris. There is nothing wrong with me now nor was there ever. I don’t believe it anymore. I have got rid of the “voodoo” just by looking it in the face, and the only virus I saw was in my head, I didn’t need to take any antioxidants for that either, except green tea on ice a couple of times a day as one more drink I take when I am thirsty. I work hard at times long hours and live pretty normally, I smoke and drink beer or red wine occasionally, I eat everything that Mediterranean cuisine has to offer, I take no recreational drugs or steroids or “gay ghetto/lifestyle” trappings of any kind as of a number of years now. And I have no problem at all admitting that any health problems I may have in the past were directly related to the abuse I was subjection my body to at the time. I am a classified member of a “high risk” group, and I am fine with taking NOTHING, because I believe nothing about the HIV & AIDS construct anymore. I have seen how the science behind it is laughable and how it worked just like “voodoo” on my (then) “stupid” mind. Now I see it as something deliberate, criminal, fraudulent, corrupt and full of lies and deceit. It is pure concocted evil.

I am convinced that if this “paradigm from hell” had been left for the “humanists” to fight out, it would have been all over and done with years ago. As Michael Ellner would say:

“Is there a better explanation?”


I am more than eager to hear it.
Manu.

This letter has been sent to the following list of persons asking them for their comments in response to the questions raised in the piece: Rev. Michael Ellner-HEAL NY, Christine Maggiore, Peter Duesberg, The Perth Group, HEAL Toronto, Celia Farber, Alex Russell, John Lauritsen, Ian Young, Robin Scovill, David Crowe, Stephen Davis, Stephen Allen, Etienne De Harven, Joan Shenton, Harvey Bailey, Michael Geiger, Mike Hersee-HEAL London, ACT UP San Francisco, ACT UP Toronto, Roberto Giraldo, Monarcas Mejico and Paul King -Dissent Action among others.


Comments
David Crowe said...
I think that the difficulty combatting the HIV=AID$=Death dogma is that it is supported by a multi-faceted establishment, including scientists, doctors, media and politicians. I agree with you that change will not come from them. Science won't magically self-correct. Change will come from the lobbying of people who have educated themselves on the scientific flaws in HIV/AIDS. It's important to have scientists speak out, but that will never be enough. We need HIV-positive people to stop taking the drugs, gay men and Africans to refuse HIV testing and drugs. We need people to bravely speak out.

The dissident movement clearly has not succeeded, but the day it succeeds it is no longer needed. We have made progress though. Every person who refuses HIV testing, stops or doesn't start the drugs, who talks to other people about this issue, is a success. And gradually, like drops of water on a step, we are eroding the establishment paradigm. Hence the anger and frustration of people like Moore and Wainberg, and the need for Gallo to testify in Australia.
6/18/2007 12:03 AM

Mike Hersee HEAL London said...
Very well articulated, Manu. Essentially, I can boil the reason we have been unsuccessful into a very simple notion: Those who have discovered a different AIDS paradigm tend to be truthseekers, where new information is given equal priority to old information when being analysed. Most people tend to filter new information through their existing beliefs.

Where we've gone wrong is that most of us have tended to assume that people we are trying to reach think in the same way as us, they simply don't have the facts. That is why we have failed. What we have to do is understand not just what other people think, but how they think, and target our approaches that way.

And seeing as most people spend far more on entertainment than they ever do on education - heck, most people spend more money on alcohol than they do on education - we have to make some educational entertainment.
6/19/2007 6:08 PM

Terry Dobbbin ACT UP TORONTO said...
Well said manu! We all need to laugh at this silly construct. Your right most people don't care about the science or understand it. HIV is political.
6/20/2007 1.50 AM

How do we know if the dissident movement has failed? We simply don't. We never set any real goals to begin with so can we really say we failed. There has never been a collective agreement among dissidents about the direction we should take and this may be good. Most of us are free thinkers. Its all a process and I believe the universe always supports the truth and bravery. Everything is working out as it should. We have to trust in the process and just never give up and get frustrated or bitter. There are many other movements facing the same force ( ie 911, global warming..) we are and together we can change the world. WE ARE DO IT!!!! Look at the change that has happpen. Embrace the positive.
6/24/2007 6:18 PM

John Lauritsen
says...
Manu, I agree with your conclusion, which is eloquently expressed. HIV=AIDS=DEATH is indeed a "paradigm from hell". It really is "something deliberate, criminal, fraudulent, corrupt and full of lies and deceit ... pure concocted evil."
I have written repeatedly that the prevailing AIDS paradigm is not just an unfortunate mistake, but rather a war -- a war against gay men. It is iatrogenic genocide.
Certainly we AIDS dissidents have not won the war, and perhaps will not in our lifetimes. But, in a struggle of David against Goliath, Goliath usually wins, at least in the short run. An important point is that censorship of AIDS dissent is ruthless and all-pervasive. There are some cracks in the Wall of Censorship, but not all that many.
Many of my articles are now on the Internet. Two books -- The AIDS War (1993) and The AIDS Cult (1997) -- are still in print. After a decade of procrastination, I have finally put together a personal web site, which has a few AIDS pages, including the full text of the 1986 book, _Death Rush: Poppers & AIDS_.
http://paganpressbooks.com/jpl
John Lauritsen
6/24/2007 2:55 PM

Michael Ellner Tom DiFerdinando HEAL NY say...
Bravo Manu!
I am confident that your essay will help many see the light. And every time another person gets it - We are all one step closer to exposing and putting an end to this murderous fraud.

I agree -- The "Dissident Movement" must completely free itself from the "AIDS Zone" before it can help others see the light.

Of course, it's easier said than done because in order to wake up from the “AIDS trance” we must fully understand at least five things: noninfectious diseases and the conditions associated with developing them; the US Public Health Service’s history of viral etiologies and sexual terrorism; the greedy, arrogant and market-driven nature of modern medical science and its toxic medications; the mass media and manufactured consent; and the psychospiritual dimensions of health, mass-hysteria and high-tech “bone-pointing,” particularly in the gay community and among gay “AIDS activists,” past and present.
Michael Ellner
6/24/07 7:34 AM

Christine Maggiore says...
From my experience, I've noticed that most scientists have a practical and methodical way of thinking and addressing their concerns about AIDS, and that some are less connected to the human aspect of AIDS and more connected to the biology.

I also see that doctors among us are addressing the fact that some HIV positives are ill and need help, not because of HIV, but for reasons that would make just about anyone in like circumstances ill. I believe their focus on healing comes from their desire to be healers and I don't see any doctor on this side of the issue making money from patients, talks or books. Like me, they are investing huge amounts of time and energy into their efforts to help, to make a difference.

I understand your frustrations about how experts in science, medicine and humanities tend to stay in separate orbits but I don't see this as intentional or motivated by ill will.

I hope you will continue to be a voice of love, sanity and self empowerment.

With big hugs,

Christine.
6/27/07 2:09 AM

Darin Brown from AIDS Wiki says...
Hi, Manu

I just read your post of the "failure of HIV and AIDS dissent".

"There is a brilliant couplet at the start of the excellent film by
Stephen Allen HIV Fact Or Fraud that goes something like:

“The war on AIDS has failed not because it never found a cure.
The war on AIDS has failed because it never found the cause.”

Well by that same criteria one can say the same thing about the AIDS
Dissent Movement. After more than twenty years it has failed to get the
establishment to listen."

The establishment will _never_ listen. They only understand the logic of
force/violence -- and by "force/violence", I don't mean physical
force/violence, I mean political force/violence. They will only listen
when the political forces threaten them -- when public sentiment is
strong enough to threaten their funding and their profits -- when
millions of people refuse to be tested, when millions of people refuse
their drugs. _THAT_ is what they will listen to. _THAT_ is why they are
frightened today for the first time in 20 years; this is the first time
they have been seriously challenged.

"Even worse it has also failed in getting the people to listen or even
to be interested."

The people are the _only_ people who have a hope of listening, as I said
above.

"The dissident movement has failed to get the establishment to listen
because it failed to accept that the establishment is behind the whole
lie."

I think it's a bit more complicated than that, unless you take a really
broad definition of "establishment". There are powerful psychosocial
forces at work, that go beyond economics.

"It has also failed to get the people interested because it tries to
present this as a great tragedy for science when in fact it is an
incalculable tragedy for people. No one cares about science. Time always
takes care of scientific disputes, and anyone who knows anything about
history knows that."

Focusing too much on the scientific tragedy is a problem. I think this
is probably because a lot of the people involved in AIDS dissent are
themselves scientists, and so science is a very personal issue for them
and they do feel the "scientific tragedy" on a deep personal level --
simply imagine how you would feel if you saw the subject of your life's
work corrupted and plundered for profit. But most people are not
scientists, so they don't share this personal feeling.

As far as scientific disputes always resolving, I don't think
comparisons with the past are apt. Never in the history of the world has
the scientific enterprise been as enormous and powerful as today -- not
just economically, but spiritually, in a sense. Its hegemony is almost
complete.

"These elements keep the debate within the movement firmly with the
doctors centre stage, whilst the “humanists”; who are the ones who
really helped us not crack-up under the horrible shock of finding the
truth behind the HIV=AIDS paradigm, but they have been relegated
throughout this whole dispute to play the equivalent of the colourful
(but secondary) role of the “Chorus” in a Greek tragedy."

I'm sorry you've had this experience.

"These elements still fail to see that this is not a scientific issue
anymore. This is a social and political one. So why is the main emphasis
in dissent in general still on science?"

Well, there is one reason I can think to still spend some time on
science (although not the "main emphasis"): and that is that 99.9% of
the world does look to the AIDS establishment for "scientific" reasons
to cling to their HIV beliefs, because they still see it as a scientific
issue. They [the establishment] are then forced to respond to specific
arguments (by Duesberg, Perth, etc.) and their responses can be very
clever, clever enough to satisfy someone wanting to cling to their
beliefs. Not responding is interpreted as not having an answer.

Also, there are constantly new papers and "research" coming out claiming
to answer the dissidents once and for all, or claiming to resolve some
paradox about HIV. Almost all of these do just the opposite. I feel we
_must_ respond to these papers; this is why I spent so much time on the
Rodriguez paper last fall.

"the ONE and ONLY question we need answered from science:What do the
so-called HIV tests prove? We all know Science/AIDS Inc. cannot answer
that one without getting into a complete mess."

Yes, that's the crux of it all.

"and lots and lots of Mark Weinberg, so people can also see and hear in
whose hands they have relegated their health."

Yes, I know a few people who were motivated to question HIV just because they were shocked to hear Weinberg speak.

"AIDS is a construct, a belief. Nothing more. I thought that everyone
agreed on that!!"

I thought so too recently...but I've encountered a few dissidents since
then who seem to disagree.

"The final question on the nature of the dissent movement that had been
bugging me for along time now was; why was the net littered with pages
of individuals speaking out over the years, trying to warn people of the
danger of the HIV fraud? So many people have known over the years. Have
they lost interest? Most would seem to prefer to think that they did.
But I am yet to meet a single person who understood the truth behind the
tragedy of AIDS enough to speak out about it that has been able to sleep
well since then."

There are different reasons. I think loss of interest is rarely one.

Burnout is probably the most common reason. The second most common
reason is probably just that someone feels they have contributed all
they have to offer. Another big reason is life circumstances -- people
often have things happen in their life that simply preclude the time and
effort involved. This can be anything from going to graduate school,
caring for ailing relatives, raising a family, starting a new career,
moving, etc.

Darin
6/29/07 3:43 AM

14 comments:

julio said...

Manu, you got straight to the point and managed to put it into words brilliantly. HIV/AIDS is not merely a medical issue. Its implications extend far beyond science. There's a lot about ourselves in HIV/AIDS, about fear at both a social and a more intimate level.

Congratulations for your step ahead.

Regards,

Julio

PS: My mind keeps going back to Poe's "The Mask of the Red Death". I suggest that you read it along with Aubrey Buffing's speech on Poe's short story in Chapter 15 of Tom Wolfe's "The Bonfire of the Vanities". Buffing's character is a poet with AIDS, but his speech goes far beyond the 1980s AIDS culture.

Carter said...

Manu,
I just read your work. It is absolutly brilliant! Would you consider joining in the discussions over at Aidsmythexposed? (AME) or maybe you have already? http://groups.msn.com/aidsmythexposed/messageboard.msnw

You made reference to "Have they lost interest?" This is where I have found that it may not be the interest that wain's, but the burnout one receives when doing battle, or as posted by "Truthseeker" at new aidsreview.org, "Harvey Bialy posted the last contributed post on his critical blog You Bet Your Life on May 12 and has announced to colleagues that he considers that he has said everything necessary on the topic for the time being," [ http://www.paradigmoverthrow.com/blog/?p=532 ] Are the long time contributors of the dissident movement actually considering "we said enough?" I also have another theory as substantiated by Darin Brown who commented on a thread at AME, “THE FIGHT IS OVER. THEY HAVE ALREADY LOST. They are lying on the floor with a mortal flesh wound. It's simply a matter of waiting until they lose enough blood to die. What's the point in stabbing them again? This was NOT the case 18 or even 12 months ago. Their days are measured in months, not years.” [http://groups.msn.com/aidsmythexposed/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=29388&LastModified=4675627350368043256 ] Here the thinking is only a mater of (short) time. God, I certainly hope that is true!

Anonymous said...

The truth has been promulgated long enough. The time for us to stop fooling around with the cons of the AID$ scam is long past. Let us move forward and continue to sidestep the fools of the CDC/NIH and the World Government and show those with an open mind that they do not have to accept this voodoo pronouncement. Cooties has been eliminated.
Johann

poz_brotherhood@yahoo.com said...

re: poz magazine, april 2007

larry kramer didn't save my life. larry kramer didn't save anyone's life. in fact, he is responsible for the only true aids epidemic: AZT POISONING.

his fervor by starting actup is responsible for the deaths of 350,000 of my gay brothers, friends, coworkers and ex-lovers.

his 'holocaust' was the product of his, and actup's, inability and refusal to face the fruits of their actions from the extreme behaviour that destroyed the immune systems of the gay community.

had it not been for larry kramer, azt would not have been forced down the throats of all aids patients in the 80's, resulting in their deaths.

few know the history of azt. azt was developed as a cancer drug in the 1960's as part of the failed war on cancer. azt was shelved because of it's toxic nature. it would never have received fda approval.

desperate and confused as their immune systems collapsed around them due to poppers, recreational drug abuse, recurrent std's and recurrent treatment for std's and other immune-taxing behaviour, (not to mention vial self-hatred and internalized homophobia) kramer and his cohorts pushed the government to support a 'miracle cure'...a 'magic bullet'.

they feared not face what they had created and would do anything to not look at themselves.

they got the drug they wanted. they got azt--AT 5 TIMES THE DOSAGE IT WAS SHELVED AS TOO TOXIC, and which killed all lab rats exposed to it.

aids as we know it today would never have existed if gay men had looked inside and made the necessary changes to reconstitute their immune systems, instead of destroying it in the name of rebuilding it. (see azt pharmacopia...it creates all aids-defining illnesses).

the only difference between azt and to newer so-called 'life saving drugs' is they kill slower than azt did. but in the end they do kill.

as a result, hiv/aids has become nothing more than a medical construct.

hiv/aids science is the greatest medical blunder in history, serving those too unconscious and afraid to take responsibility for their lives.

i knew larry kramer back in the early 80's, well before the emergence of aids. larry kramer was a bitter queen well before the bodies started dropping.

i was there then and i am alive and well now.

i saved my own life by choosing not to take toxic anti-retrovirals. as part of the first clinical trials, i quit after just six weeks because my gut told me there was something terribly wrong with this drug. all the other 2,498 men in the study are dead.

here i am, 25 years later. never sick once. and living with only 50-150 t-cells all along.

idolize me for my victory. do not dare idolize him for his anger.

demonize him.

he killed all of my loved ones.

Truth PLEASE! said...

Manu,
You have explained this problem very well. What has been lacking for all these years is a solidarity and political front, that engages AID$ Inc. with pressure from people who are antibody positive along with many others of us who demand scientific honesty.

THE SOLUTION:
We need to draft a letter of consensus entailing the common concerns that sum up our basic arguments that HIV is NOT causing AIDS, the testing is invalid and the treatments have been deadly.

We should provide several pages of documentation and scientifc references, but ONLY included behind a SHORT cover letter that states our cause and expectations for change and justice. We need to make it short, simple and to the point! (perhaps 5 major points)

Then we can individually log on to sites like www.Congress.org and send out faxes and emails to congress. Beyond that, we need to then start sending the same letter to media outlets, public orgainzations, and other pressure groups.
Many of us have some slightly different opinions about these matters, but we MUST be in solidarity on the basic issue and anyone who distracts us from our common goals and political position, should NOT be considered one of us, or true to the cause. Once our basic political postion is in place we need to be faithful to each other and push ahead with a collective agenda.
National and international events should be confronted collectively.
I suggest the www.rethinkingaids.com website as our common press outlet. (Since this where the Group began)

SO---let's draft the letter and start a petition. Remember, this is a political battle, NOT a scientific issue. With email, one person can hit 10 locations in 10 minutes. If we ALL start sending this letter to EVERYONE, we WILL get their attention.

Grover said...

Nice one Manu, you are right on the money as they say. Although the science element has it's place, particularly the way the orthodox view trips its self up time and time again, the time is definately ripe to lay this thing on the table from a very human point of view. Personally I see the change we need coming from everyday people. I am a great believer in the domino effect.

From my own perspective I have been very encouraged by the interest from people I have broached the subject with. I am a shadow tutor at the College of Natural Nutrition in London. I discussed the whole dissident view point with a student last year from south Africa who over the following weeks imersed herself in as much info/books etc as possible. She subsequently met up with Anthiny Brink and is now planning to return to SA to work with people affected by the whole HIV/AIDS situation but from a purely dissident perspective. As an add to that, the college I attend has now made 'The other side of AIDS' set viewing for the whole first year group and also will now be included as part of the correspondence course.

I think it's important that each of us try to educate people we meet in the way that feels the most natural for us and the most applicable to them. I have a friend who I discuss this with often and he processes information better from a scientific view point, where as others I have met responde with more empathy from the humanistic stance.

I hope I havent sounded contraditory in my response. Maybe this is a good point to revaluate how and where each of us move forward from now.....maybe less of a failure but more of a learning curve. I think creating and maintaining a symbiotic connection between all who fall into the dissident camp is going to be where the real change starts happening.

Many thanks again Manu!

poz_brotherhood@yahoo.com said...

The manhunt store, owned and operated by online
partners, inc, has now begun pervaying weapons of mass destruction on the gay community.

they have joined the legacy of jerry falwell and the
christian coalition and moral majority as
exterminators of gay culture.

they have also joined big pharma in it's preying on
gay men by selling poppers to drug addicted gay men.

poppers are one of the primary co-factors of aids.
this is well-documented (both scientifically and
anecdotally) and the personal experience of this
writer (every one of my friends that died of aids in
the 80's were chronic poppers users).

the patent for poppers is owned by glaxo-smith-kline,
which is also responsible for the marketing and
dispensing of azt, (documented both scientifically and
anecdotally) to have caused the overdose killing of
more than 350,000 gay men due to azt poisoning,
glaxo's aids by prescription drug.

manhunt has chosen, for purely economic reasons, to
push poppers on the gay community, at the same time
claiming to be a friend of the gay community.

poppers increase the likelihood of transmission of hiv
and sexually transmitted diseases ten-fold.

manhunt is in cahoots with it's claimed partners of
public health to spread hiv while at the same time
claiming to care for it's eradiction.

THIS MUST BE STOPPED.

the laws must be changed to outlaw once again (as they
were in the 80's) these chemical weapons.

THEY ARE NOT ROOM DEODORIZERS. THEY CAUSE CANCER
(scientifically documented) AND LEAD TO IMMUNE
COLLAPSE.

manhunt claims to be partners in health with over 130
community health organizations including the
massachusetts department of public health and the aids
action commitee of massachusetts, and perhaps al-
qaida.

these organizations rely on public funding and
epidemic hysteria as well as outdated and fraudulent
scientific data to perpetuate it's functioning and
preserve their jobs.

(there has never to this date been one scientific
paper published in any peer-reviewed medical journal
PROVING THE HIV IS THE CAUSE OF AIDS).

these organizations, and primarily MANHUNT are
perpetuating these myths.

they will all be named as co-defendents for selling
and distributing aids-causing chemicals. this will
also be subject to new fda requirements proving the
safety and effectiveness of all substances sold
without proof of benefit.

these organizations will be named as co-conspiritors
in forthcoming legal claims.



The Poz Brotherhood: Striving to transcend the consciousness that
causes AIDS

Anonymous said...

Facing the Challenges of HIV/AIDS


Around the world, more than 47 million people are now infected with the HIV/AIDS, It is now a weapon of mankind destruction. It has killed more than 30 million people worldwide according to UNAID and WHO reports since the 1st of December 1981 when it was first recognized. This makes it the worst recorded pandemic in the history of pandemics against mankind. In 2006 alone, it was reported to have killed between 2.5 to 3.5 million people with more than 380000 as children. The large number of these people killed is from the sub Saharan Africa. In some Sub-Saharan African countries, HIV/AIDS is expected to lower life expectancy by as much as 25 years.

AIDS is no longer a problem of medication. It is a problem of development. It is not just an individual hardship. It also threatens to decimate the future prospects of poor countries, wiping away years of hard-won improvements in development indicators. As a result of the disease, many poor countries are witnessing a worsening in child survival rates, reduced life expectancy, crumbling and over-burdened health care systems, the breakdown of family structures and the decimation of a generation in the prime of their working lives.

Bangladesh's socio-economic status, traditional social ills, cultural myths on sex and sexuality and a huge population of marginalised people make it extremely vulnerable to the HIV/AIDS epidemic. Everyone buying sex in Bangladesh is having unprotected sex some of the time, and a large majority don’t use condoms most of the time. Behaviors that bring the highest risk of infection in Bangladesh are unprotected sex between sex workers and their clients, needle sharing and unprotected sex between men.

Though the country overall has a low prevalence rate, it has reported concentrated epidemics among vulnerable population such as IDUs. There are already localized epidemics within vulnerable groups in, and the virus would spread among the IDUs’ family or sexual partner. According to the social development specialist and AIDS researcher Mohammad Khairul Alam, “It should be realized that there is no alternative to develop and enhance life skills of vulnerable girls and women to cope with epidemic. They may be assisted on the various levels to become engaged in grooming their confidence and organized. At the same time, their voices should be allowed to be heard loud and clear. Thus the collective effort of women is born with the sense or purpose that they will be stirred up to share perceptions improving their access to reproductive health related information and services.”


In many poor countries, commercial female sex workers are frequently exposed to HIV and other sexually transmitted infections (STIs/STDs). Where sex workers have poor access to health care and HIV prevention services, HIV prevalence can be as high as 50-90%. Evidence shows that targeted prevention interventions in sex work settings can turn the pandemic around.

Bangladesh is a high prevalence of sexually transmitted diseases, particularly among commercial sex workers; there are available injection drug users and sex workers all over the country, low condom use in the general population. Considering the high prevalence of HIV risk factors among the Bangladeshi population, HIV prevention research is particularly important for Bangladesh. It is very awful, several organization in Bangladesh are working only to prevent HIV/AIDS but few of them like as ‘Rainbow Nari O Shishu Kallyan Foundation’ try to develop proper strategic plane, so should increase research based organization recently.

Poverty in Bangladesh is a deeply entrenched and complex phenomenon. Sequentially, the HIV/AIDS epidemic amplifies and become deeper poverty by its serious economic impact on individuals, households and different sectors of the economy. Poverty is the reason why messages of prevention and control do not make an impact on a vast majority of the vulnerable population.

Sources: World Bank, UNAIDS, UNICEF.



Kh. Zahir Hossain
M & E Specialist (BWSPP)
The World Bank
Dhaka, Bangladesh
Mobile: 01711453171
Zahir.hossain@gmail.com

David Crowe said...

Prostitutes are not a risk group for AIDS. See http://aras.ab.ca/transmission-prostitutes.html for a lot of scientific evidence on this point.
The only exception appears to be drug using prostitutes.
Scientists can't understand why some prostitutes are apparently immune from HIV infection. Well, duh!, they would never consider that maybe HIV is not a sexually transmissible virus.
Another thing to think about is that in Africa, in most places, women have at least as high a rate of HIV seroprevalence as men, often higher and, in some countries, like much of South Africa, several times higher! Yet, apart from prostitutes, women are usually sexually less promiscuous than men. Again, this is hard to understand from within the rigid box of "HIV is a sexually transmitted disease", but easier to understand outside the box.

Manu said...

In reference to your sources: UNAIDS has just had to scale down those numbers you quote by half. It had bien exaggerating and telling lies. Here is the most recent article talking about that:
The Econimic Times Of India: UN cries wolf about AIDS

What is the purified particulate reference standard for hiv tests? There is none.

The so called HIV test is fraudullent and proves nothing as it detects a whole rannge of NON SPECIFIC antibodies. That is then used to give people a very SPECIFIC label: HIV+. There is still no test that can detect specific HIV presence. As long as there is no proof of the presence of HIV in the blood there is nothing but a politically constructed science fiction fantasy. As i have called it always: Just plain voodoo to scare people into taking toxic medication and then die from it. That then is called an AIDS death.

Also you should define AIDS.
For me it's just a brand name.

Finally, where is the proof that AIDS is a sexually transmitted desease? There is no proof of that either.

Open your mind and your eyes and look at the facts. There is no such thing as a test for HIV so all these numbers you relate to infections are pure fiction.

Dan said...

Manu,

one of the reasons for the failure is that the "dissidents" don't agree on anything, including whether HIV causes AIDS.

For some strange reason "we" seem to think that hammering away at the soc-called "science" will bring this lie down. Hasn't happened, has it?

From my own experience, I've found only a few "dissidents" that actually believe what they're saying! Well, if you don't believe what you're saying, then you're not going to be effective.

I agree with you about the polite language. It's bullshit.

What is the "dissdent" message? I've harped on AME about this. The "best" we've got is that something is vaguely wrong (not sure, give us some time, we'll figure it out!) with the HIV/AIDS hypothesis. It's bullshit.

I'm tired of the Duesberg ass-kissing as well!

Dan said...

Open your mind and your eyes and look at the facts. There is no such thing as a test for HIV so all these numbers you relate to infections are pure fiction.

Perfect response to the orthodox person's post. Any other response is little more than pathetically pleading for the other side to "listen".

Anonymous said...

In my point of view I think that things will only change when the political forces, for some political reasons, will "decide" that a cure/vaccin was found for AIDS. At that time scientists will "find" the cure/vaccin. The establishment will complete the work by adjusting the data/statistics and fitting the cure/vaccin into the relaity. HIV=AIDS will be then just a detai!.

--Del

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